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ebvan
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posted 12-04-2007 05:22 AM
  
Has everyone heard of this new Fox show? link to preview http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid824731283/bctid1328166766 ------------------
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stat
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posted 12-04-2007 10:29 AM
In my opinion polygraph has survived in the shadows and through urban legend. Meanwhile, the field has been scrambling to better itself in hopes of meeting the legendary status. In many ways, polygraph has made great strides, and in others, it has fell very short. The Fox show looks to be an upcoming hit, as most voyeuristic shows with great sound and graphics typically score viewers by the gazillions. Prediction; The other networks will do 2 things. They will try to copy the format in an effort to make quick cash----and they will also hedge their bets and attack the merits of polygraph in order to debunk the core premise. Either way, the future of polygraph is so uncertain, it is scary. At the risk of looking the negativistic fool (my specialty), I believe the beginning of the end is quite near. We will se an uptick of business followed by a campaign crash, with George and other scientists teaching countermeasures to 10 yr old kids on every competing "g'morning show." I recall some getting nervous over the Mythbuster possibility of putting poly to the test-----well we haven't seen anything yet my friends. Strap yourself in. [This message has been edited by stat (edited 12-04-2007).] IP: Logged |
stat
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posted 12-04-2007 02:23 PM
Does anyone know who will be administering the tests on the TV show? Lou? Jack?
I just hope it is a well respected, well spoken examiner----for when the big questions start flying.IP: Logged |
LouRovner
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posted 12-04-2007 05:22 PM
I don't think a serious examiner will be on the show at all. From what I hear, contestants are going to be asked a string of unrelated, relevant questions, perhaps 20 or more.I actually received a call from a potential contestant who had already been screened by the producers by taking a "test" consisting of 75 "personal" questions. Clearly, these won't be polygraph tests. Just a circus for the great unwashed to pass the time. Stat, I can't speak for Jack, but I wouldn't touch that s**t with a 10-foot pole (how's that for well-spoken?). Lou [This message has been edited by LouRovner (edited 12-04-2007).] IP: Logged |
sackett
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posted 12-04-2007 05:31 PM
Yeah, this cr@p is all going to be portrayed as real, then caviated under the mystique of "entertainment", not professional polygraph science. The cr@p they portray will be identifed by george and his boys as the real thing and obviously full of "chartgazing" quackery. All to embellish their case. Then, of course, we all look stupid. Certainly, $$$ will attract some examiner to betray our professional ethics and serve at the feet of big TV business... Jim [This message has been edited by sackett (edited 12-04-2007).] IP: Logged |
Taylor
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posted 12-04-2007 05:32 PM
Lou, can I ask why the client called you? Did he not undergo enough with 75 personal questions? Is he asking for more?... I agree, we shouldn't touch that one. Although this show was an instant success in South Africa until the 'murder plot admission' I cannot see how it will benefit us.I also wonder if it would be wise for APA and AAPP to have a membership rule that any examinations presented on televised programs should be QC'd by the APA or AAPP. Just a thought. Taylor [This message has been edited by Taylor (edited 12-04-2007).] IP: Logged |
Ted Todd
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posted 12-04-2007 05:43 PM
This is starting to sound more the the Jerry Springer Polygraph Show. I think most people will see it for what it is.Ted IP: Logged |
LouRovner
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posted 12-04-2007 05:52 PM
Sackett,Cr@p certainly has a better look to it than s**t. I think I'll edit my earlier post to read cr@p. Donna, The guy wanted to be sure that he would "pass", thereby winning $100,000. I told him I would be busy napping and rearranging my sock drawer for the next few months. The show probably didn't have to look too far to find a hooker to run these "tests". Let's just hope that stat is wrong and that not too much damage is done. Ted, I think even the Jerry Springer show is far classier than this one. Lou
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stat
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posted 12-04-2007 05:52 PM
I think it will be a hit. Fox is running it as sister to American Idol---the most watched TV show in the history of the medium. For chrisakes I even watch American Idol.
We all know 5 minutes of fame isn't enough---the former contestants will no doubt comment on their experiences---much of which will likely be negative.
We have tolerated the Springer, Povich, Montel lie detector stuff for a while with no bruising. Those shows rake in 3-6 mil viewers though. A primetime show at the back of American Idol might receive 65 mil viewers or so. Polygraph will certainly be a star of sorts----for a while.
We should all put on helmets for the after-honeymoon though.IP: Logged |
Taylor
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posted 12-04-2007 06:03 PM
I believe it was Cliff that told me after the show started in SA they had a huge increase in requests for polygraph. (probably fidelity issues....yuck) I just see nothing positive about the show and it will open the flood gates to GMs site.If we/PP/APA/AAPP were ever going to get that---computer stuff Ray talked about the other day up and running to increase our visibility....now would be the time. BTW, Eric, I too watch AI. I feel like I just stood in front of a bunch of people and said I have an alcohol problem! Taylor IP: Logged |
LouRovner
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posted 12-04-2007 06:10 PM
Donna,Perhaps we can get the ball rolling by having someone post a question on one of the public PP bulletin boards, asking what professional polygraph examiners think about the premise of that show. And don't worry about admitting that you watch American Idol. In the old days, I had an "A-Team" problem. Lou [This message has been edited by LouRovner (edited 12-04-2007).] IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 12-04-2007 06:18 PM
I pity the fool who watched that one.IP: Logged |
stat
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posted 12-04-2007 07:23 PM
I love it when a plan comes together!IP: Logged |
jrwygant
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posted 12-04-2007 08:20 PM
A bit of history -- this show started in Colombia and has spread to several other countries all over the world. The Colombian version was recently canceled when a woman admitted during the show that she had tried to hire someone to murder her husband. The "killer" told the husband, who split. It was after the wife's admission on Colombian TV that the show there was axed.IP: Logged |
sackett
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posted 12-04-2007 08:43 PM
Knowing that so little I say is ever taken seriously (especially by Ted and Jack), I will sleep well tonight knowing I influenced Lou to change his grammatical endeavours and presentations from s**t to Cr@p, while posting on this board. Have a good one, Jim [This message has been edited by sackett (edited 12-04-2007).] IP: Logged |
Buster
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posted 12-04-2007 08:59 PM
Obviously this will increase the publicity of polygraph. The question is - Is there a possible nagative outcome from this? I guess it could be someone on a talk show saying a year later they beat it or there was false positive and they want their prize money.I don't know if any of you ever saw the WB's Meet the Folks. There was a marathon on over the weekend. At the 45 minute mark there are two polygraphs given on an analog. It appears to be fake, but the examiner is the same every show; I was going to ask if any of you old timers recognized him? After the tests it shows the parents reviewing (I guess) the report. I am sure it was designed after the "Meet the parents" movie. Edit: I googled it, I am sure this must have been discussed before, I didn't realize there was so much on the web about it. The examiner on that show was Nick Savastano. [This message has been edited by Buster (edited 12-04-2007).] IP: Logged |
stat
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posted 12-04-2007 09:28 PM
A wonderful discussion indeedy. The folks at Fox have no doubt tested their show for audiences and they love it. This is in fact a different animal than all other shows because money is involved. When new shows are being rolled out, all contestants are made to sign a concrete hush agreement---which a friend of mine had to sign when he was on the INXS new lead singer show---my other friend who is a well informed lawyer in Seattle, having looked at the contract said it was a very scarily potent document indeed.
Once the new show airs, the previously filmed contestants from the last , say 10 already canned episodes will be able to talk after the show airs. This is kind of the standard procedure for Fox Entertainment. Most if not all of the first season is already in the can and waiting for broadcast. The s**t will hit if it does once those contracts expire----likely by the broadcast season's end.
FYI, the monetary penalty for contestants talking about Fox contest episodes before they air (spoilers)
Up to $3.2 million in damages (figures from a different polular show from 2005)
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Taylor
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posted 12-04-2007 10:29 PM
E - which one was your friend on the INXS show? TaylorIP: Logged |
stat
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posted 12-05-2007 08:53 AM
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